Things we agreed:
(6:27:32 AM) DoggyDude: hiya :)
(6:28:32 AM) fleudermaus: Hello Seri <3
(6:28:34 AM) thorodal: Ah, there's the woman that I needed to reinstate... don't you dare pulling this stunt again
(6:28:57 AM) kyrissis: hi serial
(6:29:56 AM) DoggyDude: Lirien, I'm tired honey. Tired of all the bickering and the fighting. I am just one of the Q. Nothing else is important.
(6:30:38 AM) DoggyDude: and I have a full purse *pouts* mortal.. can't it be bottomless? I can do it in a snap :D
(6:31:37 AM) DoggyDude: heading to EDS :)
(6:31:47 AM) dgreiwe1985: ^.^
(6:31:54 AM) fleudermaus: ESD?
(6:32:34 AM) DoggyDude: *giggles* there too
(6:32:42 AM) Col.Potter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2nLEhUcZ0
(6:33:54 AM) thorodal: Oh, and Seri: I don't know what the f*ck happened between you and Candy, but you should know that almost all of her toons have left the fleet
(6:34:43 AM) dgreiwe1985: please do these kind of conversations in private tell please
Serry. ED: Good old Kendra *hugs*
(6:35:50 AM) DoggyDude: nothing happened between Candy and me. I'm just letting anyone who wants to go, go.
(6:36:12 AM) kyrissis: well doesn't everyone always have that ability and right?
(6:36:20 AM) DoggyDude: I'm tired of caring for people who care more about status, organisation and other issues and not about the fleet.
(6:37:19 AM) thorodal: No, I want to call out EVERYONE in the fleet: All of this drama-queening, intriguing and short-sighted one-way decision making need to stop at once
(6:38:19 AM) fleudermaus: ESD 5 for Goddesses together
(6:38:53 AM) kyrissis: AGREED- I sorta feel the TOP priority for every Goddess should be the OTHER Goddesses- the fleet members- and NOT anything else coming before that
(6:39:18 AM) thorodal: You are right in one thing, Seri: People in this fleet have become way too self-centred to make a fleet work, but you are no exception to this.
Serry ED: *pouts* Well I never put it quite that way! I would say that some Goddesses lost direction and forgot what makes the fleet great. That and I have not been providing what Q need to be happy.
(6:39:26 AM) kyrissis: people count more than objects
(6:40:17 AM) thorodal: You can't just bail out from being the fleet's leader WHICH YOU ARE once the road is getting a bit more bumpy
Serry ED: I was never bailing on anything *double pout*. I was showing how rank is unimportant, I love this fleet not silly titles or what it can do for me in terms of game trinkets. I do want us all to do well though and help everyone to make Goddesses a place they are happy; I hope to achieve this by following what everyone has asked, but most importantly, giving people the structure they are asking for.
(6:41:42 AM) fleudermaus: Please everyone stop
(6:41:45 AM) fleudermaus: please
(6:42:15 AM) fleudermaus: for the damage of my reaction to another sister I am truly and abjectly sorry
(6:42:43 AM) fleudermaus: the way forward is through fleet events and being together
(6:43:44 AM) fleudermaus: it will only take a little effort to recapture our family spirit
(6:43:53 AM) thorodal: Aidan, credit when credit is due: This is the first constructive thing I heard from you in a loooong time. But you'll have to tell this Ang as well, you know that.
(6:44:16 AM) fleudermaus: I have apologized to Ang directly in Skype
(6:44:22 AM) thorodal: Great^^
(6:44:46 AM) dgreiwe1985: Hi Hanna
(6:44:46 AM) fleudermaus: but you must understand that my reaction was in fact ... a reaction
(6:45:03 AM) fleudermaus: that said it was ... an over-reaction
(6:45:14 AM) fleudermaus: this I admit freely and I will not defend it
(6:45:37 AM) DoggyDude: Yes, people count.
(6:45:56 AM) thorodal: Seri: You are this fleet's leader. This means you occasionally will have to make tough decisions. The fleet has reached a size where giggling it out will not always work anymore and you have to get
Serry ED: In the past everyone would help make it so there wasn't so many tough decisions by people cooperating ((Though I grant that was made hard by the way Cryptic took the game)).
I giggle therefore I am *sage*.
(6:46:05 AM) fleudermaus: I was hurt by my sister and hurt her in return and that is something I should NEVER have done and please believe I have regretted this terribly
(6:46:06 AM) DoggyDude: Lirien, I was not bailing out.. I was setting an example .
(6:46:43 AM) thorodal: By basically making this fleet without leadership?
Serry ED: My lead, if anything, is to show what a Goddess is. I live and love this fleet.
(6:47:37 AM) fleudermaus: so at this point let us all accept that Ang and I have something to resolve and amend between us and let us all be sisters once more Please I beg you
(6:47:39 AM) kyrissis: I have to say-publicly- I do understand what Serial was trying to attempt to show- but I do NOT agree with doing it that way
Serry ED: Thank you T *hugs*
(6:48:06 AM) thorodal: Aidan, that's not the only problem anymore
(6:48:32 AM) thorodal: You and Ang just started an avalanche that we need to stop already
(6:49:09 AM) thorodal: Because everyone of us is SICK AND TIRED of drama ruining the weekends
(6:49:09 AM) kyrissis: well part of the problem is some players do not want to log into a game they play for fun and relaxation and then encounter all this on going stress and dialog
(6:49:23 AM) kyrissis: so eventually they are faced with not logging in or leaving fleet
Serry ED: T_T.. but I don't make the drama. I don't want Q to leave.
(6:49:26 AM) DoggyDude: *she looks sad* when I started this fleet, it was to find all the other Q. I found people I love to play with, I found fabulous and fun people. The fleet was always about Q and a Q was about knowing
(6:49:43 AM) DoggyDude: knowing your amazing, knowing your friends are amazing.. knowing its all you need.
(6:49:57 AM) DoggyDude: I've never been a leader, only all of your friends.
(6:50:08 AM) DoggyDude: ((she included me :))
(6:50:21 AM) kyrissis: well sometimes you need a leader
(6:50:25 AM) DoggyDude: All I hoped for was that people could find ways to get along.
(6:50:42 AM) thorodal: Seri, I know where you come from here, but you must understand that with the rate the fleet has been growing lately it's sometimes necessary to call people out on their BS
(6:50:54 AM) kyrissis: you sadly have an idealized view of people
(6:50:57 AM) DoggyDude: Which is why its time for me to step down, I have leaders robes but all I want it fun with all of Q.
(6:51:14 AM) kyrissis: most people-even good ones- are NOT good at seeing things form someone else's view point
(6:51:17 AM) thorodal: Fair enough, but not without having a replacement first
(6:51:18 AM) DoggyDude: If people need leaders, they can have anyone they want.
Serry ED: I liked the idea of a Q Council (suggested later).
(6:51:27 AM) kyrissis: so NO ONE is seeing the whole picture
(6:51:49 AM) fleudermaus: You cannot see the picture if you are IN the picture
(6:52:21 AM) kyrissis: no this isn't a democracy- leaders aren't chosen by straw polls- good leader emerge from having the conviction of conscience to do the right thing- that's not something you can vote to create
(6:52:39 AM) thorodal: Oh, and Candy? Are you reading along?
(6:53:19 AM) kyrissis: You can Aidan but it is hard to step back form stress and anger and hurt feelings to try to be more rational and see what others maybe feelings and thinking
(6:53:25 AM) kyrissis: its real hard
(6:53:39 AM) Holmes-III: yes
(6:54:19 AM) thorodal: Playing ostrich isn't helpful either. If you are having issues you need to bring them up, not remain silent on them until you get so frustrated you're leaving the fleet
(6:54:36 AM) Col.Potter: May I say something outrageous?
(6:54:47 AM) kyrissis: sure- smile- you always do
(6:54:57 AM) kyrissis: hehe
(6:55:11 AM) Col.Potter: I'm finding myself agreeing with Lirein
(6:55:11 AM) kyrissis: just make sure you spell my name right
(6:55:22 AM) kyrissis: well I am as well
(6:55:31 AM) Col.Potter: not directing it at any one person
(6:55:39 AM) kyrissis: nor am I
(6:55:56 AM) kyrissis: well except that crazy Daisy chick
(6:56:04 AM) kyrissis: she needs a smack
Serry ED: LOL
(6:56:04 AM) Col.Potter: but there's been a history of avoiding a minute or two of stress to resolve an issue with head buring.
(6:56:13 AM) dgreiwe1985: lol crazy daisy XD
(6:56:44 AM) kyrissis: nod
(6:57:19 AM) Col.Potter: a giggle may keep you from sweating the small stuff, but too many giggles and here you are.
(6:57:28 AM) DoggyDude: I cannot be a leader (the type your all wanting), all I want is to make sure everyone is happy. A leader has to by nature make some sad and others fulfilled.
(6:57:34 AM) thorodal: So, please, Candy, get your toons back into the fleet and speak up more if somethings bothering you... you want to be top tier with Seri, Rho, Kendra and the others? Then ACT the part and speak up if
Serry ED:
AMEN! Please Candy. You broke all our hearts when you left.
(6:57:45 AM) DoggyDude: I am calling for a vote, and I want everyone to vote in this so its going to be on the blog.
(6:57:52 AM) DoggyDude: who you all want to lead.
Serry ED: What I mean here is, who you think is going to give you what I fail to provide in the fleet.
(6:57:54 AM) thorodal: something's bothering you instead of sticking your head into the sand
(6:57:59 AM) DoggyDude: I mean LEAD not, be Serry
(6:58:07 AM) DoggyDude: Serry is all I am.
(6:58:07 AM) Col.Potter: Outrageous point #2: I don't think there's a problem with a figurehead.
(6:58:43 AM) Holmes-III: I tried several times but no one listened
Serry ED: Candy, please don't confuse things not being sorted with no one listening *hug*
(6:58:46 AM) kyrissis: Serial is a figure head and that's fine if you got a good executive officer
(6:59:00 AM) kyrissis: someone who is gonna do the dirty work of running the dang ship
(6:59:22 AM) Col.Potter: Find yourself a Riker, Jean Luc Piserry
(7:00:08 AM) thorodal: Oh, and about that Blog: I don't think it needs our needs anymore seeing how many opinions we have become by now. We really need a goddamn forum
(7:00:17 AM) thorodal: *fits our needs
Serry ED: I will try to make this happen.
(7:03:40 AM) kyrissis: well how we all can communicate and in what form is just one thing to consider- but tis important cause if we don't find a venue to get everyone talking this wont work
(7:05:06 AM) thorodal: A forum would just be perfect as it makes discussing important issues and problems possible for all without having to consider time zones
(7:06:41 AM) Holmes-III: I've been in the fleet a long time and when i started it was small, but I was always there helping,
Serry ED: Candy, you have given one heaven of a lot for this fleet. You have always stuck by us. I just wish you had held on :(. I kind of get why you felt you had to leave, to make a 'stand' to 'show how unhappy you where'. I knew the problems, but, I didn't have the solutions because there where so many sides and so many Q with valid points. No one was happy but everyone had an influence. I don't think this will be the way when we move forwards, though I make these changes with the hope of there being a forwards to move to.
7:08:00 AM) DoggyDude: I know Candy.
(7:08:02 AM) Holmes-III: Seri and Ang voted me in as one of the founders
(7:08:04 AM) DoggyDude: You have always worked hard.
(7:08:20 AM) DoggyDude: and I never regreted that
(7:08:21 AM) Holmes-III: i was voted in
(7:08:36 AM) Holmes-III: it was not handed out
(7:09:09 AM) kyrissis: unlike mine- which WAS handed out
Serry ED: T'Kyr, you deserve to be among the leaders of this fleet. I regret giving high ranking to no one, though I admit that not every choice I made was the best.
(7:09:24 AM) Holmes-III: i still believe that the fleet needs the core 5 to lead the fleet
Serry ED: Who will that be. Ang and Me are the only founders remaining. The next longest fleet association I recall is Rho / Zoe. Though Rho is very active in many places. After Rho, Zen is probably next. Though Zen hasn't had much time in game. Candy is the next Q. So I guess the core 5 would be: Ang, Serry, Zen, Zoe and Candy. Strictly. Then Lirien has put in a lot of work, and so has Aidan and Asag. Bane has given a crap load, more than we could ever ask for (thank you Bane). Kendra has been awesome. T'Kyr not asked for anything just helped every Q. There are so many worthy Q. This is part of the problem I've had.
(7:09:34 AM) kyrissis: and not earned in any fashion
Serry ED: Disagree strongly
(7:09:35 AM) DoggyDude: Hi Hanna.
(7:09:41 AM) Holmes-III: this is a big job for one
(7:09:49 AM) thorodal: *takes deep breath* Ah, that rant felt good... and seemed to have triggered just the right issue *likes what she sees in chat*
(7:09:59 AM) thorodal: *issues
(7:10:11 AM) DoggyDude: T, you've proved yourself to be MORE than worthy
(7:10:17 AM) kyrissis: well no leader can be on enouhg to keep everything moving ahead smoothly
(7:10:36 AM) kyrissis: NO_i have proven my self to have an opinion- same as everyone else
(7:10:41 AM) thorodal: Oh, dinner's ready... afk
(7:11:01 AM) dgreiwe1985: hm...
(7:11:18 AM) DoggyDude: nods to Lirein, mortal needs a feed :)
(7:11:54 AM) DoggyDude: T, ever since you came, you had my heart. You just wanted to have fun and to help everyone have fun here.
(7:12:02 AM) DoggyDude: you spoke up for justice
(7:12:14 AM) DoggyDude: and you comforted those who had seen trials
(7:12:53 AM) DoggyDude: you, in being yourself, are the essence of all I care for. So, you might have been handed it, but you deserved more.
(7:13:18 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, you are always quite.. but you work so hard.
(7:13:20 AM) kyrissis: well the fact you like hanging out withj me and feel -as i hope others may also- that soime of my statements make sense- is great- but that dont make me someone who is more important anyone els
(7:13:33 AM) DoggyDude: *ED Candy:You answer tells and you don't make a fuss.
(7:13:43 AM) DoggyDude: *Candy: You earned a lot but I have never once had you ask for anything
(7:13:50 AM) DoggyDude: this is the heart of a Q
(7:13:58 AM) Holmes-III: SO since i was originally voyed in as a founder, I found myself outside the core 5
(7:14:12 AM) Holmes-III: *voted
(7:14:50 AM) Holmes-III: these 5 ppl should being leading the fleet
(7:15:49 AM) DoggyDude: I have always tried to back you Candy. I don't know how well I've done.
(7:15:54 AM) fleudermaus: Well I don't believe it needs to be so limited
Serry ED: Adian, although I can't speak in entirely glowing tones when it comes to our history. I can speak in glowing tones about your heart within the fleet. You've really cared for the fleet and tried to make things great. You just got a little carried away. I want you to get the rewards your efforts have deserved and I also want things to be set back to before we all started losing sight of our friends.
(7:15:58 AM) Holmes-III: but when i found that i was not a core member i felt betrayed
(7:16:13 AM) fleudermaus: *nods*
(7:16:35 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, when where you ever not a core member? 8|
Serry ED: Candy, you've always been core. Vital. I've told others that you leaving the fleet, was like a big part of the fleet dying. Being core, doesn't mean things will go the way we want. In fact, in some ways the opposite. It means we do our best to make the fleet live. You have done that, a lot. You almost single headedly stocked the fleet bank with anomalies when they where thought to be required. Your work does not go unnoticed (not by me anyway). I want you to feel at home in the fleet, but I can't do that by making others feel rejected (when they have not done intentional harm).
(7:16:38 AM) fleudermaus: the vote was for 2 leaders and all else at tier 6
Serry ED: Yes, and it was bad I did not action this properly at the time. Though it was also ill considered as after it was agreed I realised the consequences (like Rho not being at the meeting, and that Liren and others would be punished rather unfairly).
7:17:00 AM) kyrissis: rightfully so I think Candy- if that title was earned over the years with dedication and hard work on behalf of the fleet
(7:17:08 AM) DoggyDude: I can list the people I feel are core right now, and Candy your name is in the LIST.
(7:17:16 AM) DoggyDude: I felt betrayed when you left us :(
(7:17:26 AM) DoggyDude: It was like part of the heart leaving the body.
(7:17:38 AM) fleudermaus: no more talk of betrayals
(7:17:56 AM) DoggyDude: I meant to say, I didn't understand.
(7:18:13 AM) fleudermaus: some things have happened between several of us that have hurt...
(7:18:19 AM) fleudermaus: We need to reset things
(7:18:37 AM) fleudermaus: all return to where we were before it all started
(7:18:49 AM) fleudermaus: and THEN build the way forward
(7:18:55 AM) fleudermaus: PLEASE
(7:18:55 AM) DoggyDude: I want you back Candy. I never wanted you to leave :(
(7:19:09 AM) DoggyDude: I said that.. I thought I had explained.
(7:19:21 AM) DoggyDude: ((I did write the words.))
(7:19:32 AM) fleudermaus: I think the core idea is too limiting
(7:19:40 AM) fleudermaus: and it excludes people
(7:20:00 AM) dgreiwe1985: and what will u do?
(7:20:14 AM) dgreiwe1985: the core thing is not a bad idea
(7:20:52 AM) Col.Potter: a core with defined roles and a strong knowledge pool is fine.
(7:21:18 AM) fleudermaus: Who is and who is not included becomes very subjective without a set of rules... and that becomes divisive
(7:21:46 AM) Holmes-III: a goverment has leaders
Serry ED: Yes it does Candy. Do you see the fleet as a Government? Did you come to us because we governed?
(7:21:59 AM) thorodal: back
(7:22:04 AM) DoggyDude: wb Lirien.
(7:22:10 AM) thorodal: What did I miss?
(7:22:17 AM) Holmes-III: a governing body
(7:22:26 AM) Col.Potter: T bought us all fanta and sausages.
(7:22:36 AM) fleudermaus: I've spent 29 years in one of the most ridged structures you can imagine... I hardly think that is what we want here
(7:22:38 AM) Col.Potter: we're waiting on strudle now
(7:22:43 AM) kyrissis: well where we were b4 was with EVERYONE being a founder(which IMO made the toitel sorta useless) and everyone therefore being able to demote anyone else (which made it dangerous)
(7:22:53 AM) DoggyDude: I like Strudel :)
(7:23:24 AM) thorodal: Oh... does that mean Candy's sweet sugarass is rejoining our ranks? :3
(7:23:41 AM) RachelJ88: Heyas
(7:23:43 AM) Holmes-III: lol
(7:23:48 AM) fleudermaus: Hello Rachel
(7:23:48 AM) DoggyDude: Hi Rachel.
(7:23:58 AM) RachelJ88: :)
(7:24:01 AM) Col.Potter: unsure, that was my enlightened guess as to what you had for supper :P
(7:24:06 AM) Holmes-III: Hi Rachel
(7:24:12 AM) DoggyDude: I hope Candy is coming back, and Ang. I miss them.
(7:24:20 AM) kyrissis: Hi Rachael
(7:24:49 AM) RachelJ88: *hugs all*
(7:24:51 AM) kyrissis: I jsut dont feel the need to be a founder in order to be treated fairly and to be able to express my opinion
(7:25:03 AM) kyrissis: and i dont think we need everyone to be one
(7:25:05 AM) Holmes-III: having some form of leadership or a governing body is needed
(7:25:19 AM) Holmes-III: *hugs*
(7:25:38 AM) DoggyDude: *hugs back*
(7:25:46 AM) thorodal: And it should be an uneven number to ensure that there are no stalemates on decissions
(7:26:04 AM) Holmes-III: right the 5
(7:26:27 AM) fleudermaus: Then by Participation and Contributions (Merit)
(7:27:00 AM) Holmes-III: length of service
(7:27:02 AM) thorodal: ...and I still think we need a forum :P
(7:27:29 AM) fleudermaus: mere length would allow someone to sit mostly and do nothing -
(7:27:47 AM) Col.Potter: Lenght of service would have meant I'd outrank many of you.
(7:28:07 AM) kyrissis: OK- IMO_ a founder aka leader should be someone who is a trouble shooter and problem solver- -
(7:28:08 AM) DoggyDude: ((Thorodal, I could arrange a forum))
(7:28:11 AM) Holmes-III: whatever
(7:28:20 AM) RachelJ88: being a Goddess isn't about contributions, those in the 5 at the moment, have deservedly gained their place
(7:28:41 AM) RachelJ88: yet one of them who was voted in is not there
(7:28:53 AM) Col.Potter: the issue of contributions was raised by whom?
(7:28:55 AM) RachelJ88: and there is one in the 5 that wasn't agreed upon
(7:28:56 AM) dgreiwe1985: afk for a few min. brb
(7:29:00 AM) Holmes-III: we are just around in circles
(7:29:03 AM) fleudermaus: there are a few that aren't actually Rachel
(7:29:06 AM) DoggyDude: I would like to be a babe again :). I could see if I can earn my way back *giggles*
(7:29:09 AM) RachelJ88: "Aidan@fleudermaus: Then by Participation and Contributions (Merit)"
(7:29:19 AM) kyrissis: and one other issue that was mentionned- leaders have permisison to give access to fleet project so we need to ensure that people who arent lkeaders have their access stuill to what they earned
(7:29:20 AM) thorodal: That would be great, Seri
(7:29:25 AM) kyrissis: vis their contributions
(7:29:25 AM) Col.Potter: Ah, Aidan then.
(7:30:11 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, what did you mean by "whatever". I want you to know your opinion matters greatly here, in my books :)
(7:30:58 AM) Holmes-III: I did
(7:32:10 AM) fleudermaus: Well I have had an idea but I'm not sure anyone will like it
(7:32:31 AM) RachelJ88: say it any feedback is needed to move forward "you said to be move forward is the key"
(7:32:46 AM) Holmes-III: if we as a fleet are to move forward we need strong leadership
(7:33:12 AM) fleudermaus: it was the original idea actually of the 2 remaining founders Seri and Ang at tier 7 with those of us that HAVE been at 7 now at level 6 as a sort of "council"
(7:33:26 AM) RachelJ88: a coucil is a good idea
(7:33:43 AM) DoggyDude: well, I am glad for you all to pick someone :) If the fleet gets back to where it used to be, I'd do anything. Including giving up my Excelsior
(7:33:48 AM) RachelJ88: a forum would be required for that
(7:33:48 AM) fleudermaus: That is my idea and I'll stand here for the requisite tomato toss now
(7:34:12 AM) DoggyDude: ((
ill begin arranging a forum))
Serry ED: This has begun.
(7:34:22 AM) kyrissis: its watermelons actually
(7:34:31 AM) fleudermaus: as you wish....
(7:34:41 AM) Holmes-III: stop with the jokes
(7:34:47 AM) RachelJ88: aww but I brought these tiny tomato's
(7:35:09 AM) kyrissis: go ahead Aidan
(7:35:12 AM) fleudermaus: if they're sweet cherry tomatoes I'm just having a bit of salad
(7:35:20 AM) RachelJ88: lol
(7:35:22 AM) DoggyDude: lol Rachel.
(7:35:30 AM) Holmes-III: ok
(7:35:30 AM) thorodal: I recommend postponing any organisatorial problems to when the forum is up. This way we can work things out before implementing things and stomping on each others toes again
(7:35:43 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, we are taking the talk seriously. but lightening the convo is good *hug*
(7:35:45 AM) RachelJ88: if a council is to be created
(7:35:56 AM) fleudermaus: well I think those of us that have been at 7 can serve at 6 on the council to support Ang and Seri as our leaders
(7:36:05 AM) RachelJ88: then a founding 5 is no longer needed
(7:36:17 AM) DoggyDude: So, does everyone agree with Candy about needing strong leadership?
(7:36:20 AM) RachelJ88: I agree that Serial and Ang should be top
(7:36:41 AM) Col.Potter: you'd still need an odd number on top. prevents deadlock.
(7:36:56 AM) Holmes-III: that is true
(7:36:59 AM) RachelJ88: then the council will have the final word
(7:37:00 AM) fleudermaus: that accommodates the "length" aspect for Leaders and the Merit aspect for the council
(7:37:11 AM) fleudermaus: in my view.....
(7:37:12 AM) RachelJ88: Ang - Serial - Council
(7:37:52 AM) RachelJ88: if Ang and Serial can't decide, Council will have to break it
(7:38:10 AM) Holmes-III: ok
(7:38:19 AM) thorodal: That means that the council needs to be odd
(7:38:28 AM) thorodal: *needs
(7:38:38 AM) kyrissis: Trust me- the council is plenty odd
(7:38:40 AM) fleudermaus: Most of us are a bit odd already thoro
(7:38:44 AM) DoggyDude: LOL T
(7:39:12 AM) thorodal: Seems like people are starting to think alike again... good :P
(7:39:19 AM) Holmes-III: who are the council members
(7:39:31 AM) RachelJ88: anyone currently council
(7:39:48 AM) RachelJ88: and 3 who aren't @Angarus and @Doggydue
(7:40:07 AM) RachelJ88: lol @Doggydude*
(7:40:19 AM) thorodal: Candy, Rho, Aidan, Me, Kendra... did I miss someone?
Serry ED: Recognises, Bane and Zen
(7:40:19 AM) Holmes-III: lol
(7:40:55 AM) Holmes-III: no
(7:41:26 AM) DoggyDude: :)
(7:41:59 AM) DoggyDude: and, it seems to me, we need a way of rewarding / acknowledging other core people?
(7:42:13 AM) thorodal: perfect. But let's decide on the details in the forums once Seri set that up. Otherwise none of us will be playing much today XD
(7:42:33 AM) DoggyDude: this is true.
(7:42:43 AM) RachelJ88: well
(7:42:51 AM) RachelJ88: the forum would give you that option
(7:43:02 AM) RachelJ88: you can have the open part of the forum where anyone can post
(7:43:08 AM) RachelJ88: and the council part
(7:43:29 AM) RachelJ88: the council part could have a Member Achievement thread
(7:43:54 AM) DoggyDude: ((I could set up a basic forum in about 2 days (I think))
Serry ED: Damn, I was woefully wrong. Going to be at least a week. I have the template, but getting it Goddess worthy will take time.
(7:43:56 AM) RachelJ88: if X has been spending time in missions, and is Babe rank, post in the forums that they be promoted
(7:45:05 AM) RachelJ88: it'll keep detailed history
(7:45:17 AM) Holmes-III: I also believe that Rachel should have a council seat
(7:45:18 AM) RachelJ88: of who/what/why they are where they are
(7:46:04 AM) thorodal: Then we would have an even numbered council though. If Rachel were to join we needed one more
(7:46:14 AM) fleudermaus: Mischa then
Serry ED: Mischies is super special, but she was not a Goddess core member. She's a Mischie (and she will admit it ;)).
(7:46:30 AM) fleudermaus: or Asag....
(7:46:38 AM) DoggyDude: Mischies has order of Isis to consider.
(7:46:44 AM) DoggyDude: Asag needs recognising.
(7:46:48 AM) thorodal: Again, girls: Those are details that we should discuss in the forums.
(7:46:50 AM) fleudermaus: Asag I must say has contributed a LOT in a short span
(7:46:55 AM) DoggyDude: Bane too.
(7:47:09 AM) fleudermaus: we need to get Bane back in fleet
(7:47:16 AM) thorodal: We know which five NEED to be in the council any other nominees can be discussed later
(7:47:42 AM) fleudermaus: agreed thoro, thank you
(7:47:49 AM) DoggyDude: ((unfortunately I can't fast track the forum, because I have to hunt for a new flat))
(7:48:00 AM) DoggyDude: ((this weekend anyway))
(7:48:00 AM) fleudermaus: v.v
(7:48:03 AM) RachelJ88: its Ok Serry
(7:48:27 AM) DoggyDude: ((thanks :))
(7:48:30 AM) fleudermaus: Now that we have a plan for a way forward and everyone is now breathing again....
(7:48:36 AM) thorodal: Just set it up and make the seven we already agreed on Admins. I'm sure we can build up the forums together :P
(7:48:59 AM) RachelJ88: I don't think all 7 should be admins
(7:49:27 AM) RachelJ88: there are alternative Forum ranks besides everyone being admin
7:49:52 AM) thorodal: OK, but they need to be moderators
(7:50:03 AM) RachelJ88: yes agreed
(7:50:12 AM) dgreiwe1985: back :)
(7:50:12 AM) fleudermaus: I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it
(7:51:02 AM) RachelJ88: welcome back Kendra
(7:51:02 AM) thorodal: Will be blunt here though: I have a few ideas on the structure of the forums, so I wouldn't mind being Admin to set it up xD
(7:51:11 AM) dgreiwe1985: thank you
(7:51:45 AM) fleudermaus: Frankly Thoro you have already demonstrated your Administrative ability so I hardly think anyone would argue
(7:52:07 AM) RachelJ88: ok for now, can we agree that everyone in their currently fleet rank does not move until the Forum is a go and we can register peoples positions?
(7:52:22 AM) DoggyDude: Night Night T :)
(7:52:25 AM) thorodal: Lets just say I would prefer to avoid having to make a rant like that again :P
(7:52:35 AM) kyrissis: sadly i gotta log- work soon- be safe all
(7:52:37 AM) RachelJ88: a locked thread with every players @handle showing their rank should be a must
(7:52:44 AM) RachelJ88: see you T
(7:52:48 AM) kyrissis left the room.
(7:53:08 AM) fleudermaus: Nothing should happen before it is written - we've already created a situation when what was decided is not what happened so let's ensure it's all done and agreed upon before any changes - yes
(7:53:37 AM) thorodal: Only one change I want to have happening right now :P
(7:53:45 AM) DoggyDude: ((Yes, with a forum proper voting can occur))
(7:53:58 AM) RachelJ88: x I suppose
7:54:39 AM) thorodal: And that change I want right now is regarding Candy: COME BACK!!!!11eleven
(7:55:13 AM) DoggyDude: Nods. I miss my sis. Candy.
(7:55:28 AM) DoggyDude: How can we make you know how important you are Candy?
(7:55:55 AM) RachelJ88: head Council?
(7:56:06 AM) Holmes-III: so are we set for the council and the fleet going forward
(7:56:24 AM) DoggyDude: What we talked about here, must happen IMO
(7:56:32 AM) Holmes-III: oh I like that
(7:56:38 AM) DoggyDude: especially the part about Candy coming back
(7:56:40 AM) DoggyDude: :)
(7:56:43 AM) DoggyDude: but all of it.
(7:56:45 AM) Holmes-III: thanks Rachel
(7:56:47 AM) DoggyDude: so Candy stays
(7:57:58 AM) Holmes-III: head council ?
(7:58:26 AM) RachelJ88: basically if there's a council issue... they come to you and only you
(7:59:34 AM) fleudermaus: I think I just missed something
(8:00:07 AM) DoggyDude: ((I''m recording chat log))
(8:00:27 AM) DoggyDude: ((will repost to blog with 'to do' list, after))
(8:00:57 AM) Holmes-III: any thought
(8:01:36 AM) Holmes-III: the council should have a chairperson
8:02:34 AM) thorodal: Hmm... agreed on that. I also think that the head council should be able to break a stalemate inside the council if it should occur somehow
(8:02:48 AM) DoggyDude: im happy with whatever everyone agrees, you know me :)
(8:02:59 AM) fleudermaus: than the council itself will need to decide who will be chair
(8:03:14 AM) DoggyDude: Aidan has a good idea there :)
(8:03:27 AM) thorodal: But again, those are details we can discuss later
(8:03:28 AM) DoggyDude: the council could vote every N for whos to lead.
(8:04:30 AM) fleudermaus: whhhheeeee
(8:04:32 AM) dgreiwe1985: GOD that was CLOSE :D
(8:04:33 AM) RachelJ88: well that was close :P
(8:04:34 AM) fleudermaus: yay team
(8:04:40 AM) fleudermaus: 3 seconds
(8:04:41 AM) fleudermaus: hehe
(8:04:52 AM) Holmes-III: ???
(8:05:08 AM) thorodal: They were doing an FFA
(8:05:11 AM) DoggyDude: 3 seconds for FFA :)
(8:05:23 AM) Holmes-III: oh
(8:05:25 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, will you fly with us? :)
(8:05:31 AM) DoggyDude: or Colony?
(8:05:39 AM) fleudermaus: Candy can go in my stead
(8:05:45 AM) fleudermaus: ^^
(8:05:47 AM) RachelJ88: switching a tick
(8:05:52 AM) RachelJ88: Aidan you have my spot
(8:06:06 AM) fleudermaus: x then...
(8:06:14 AM) Holmes-III: no go ahead
(8:06:15 AM) fleudermaus: come back Rachel v.v
(8:06:15 AM) RachelJ88: back
(8:06:25 AM) DoggyDude: wb :)
(8:06:32 AM) fleudermaus: yay!
(8:06:47 AM) DoggyDude: forming team in 48 seconds :D I think we need some tub time
(8:06:56 AM) dgreiwe1985: nice pet serry. is that new?
(8:07:00 AM) fleudermaus: x
(8:07:25 AM) DoggyDude: thanks Kendra, shes squidgy
(8:08:10 AM) DoggyDude: Kendra hun lead is you :)
(8:08:25 AM) dgreiwe1985: no you ~.^
(8:08:59 AM) solarian7799: how did you unlocked this dance
~ removed general fleet fun chatter
(8:31:12 AM) Holmes-III: so I think the Seri and Ang should appoint the chairperson
(8:33:01 AM) fleudermaus: I still think the council should vote on the chair but your idea should be put on the forum Candy and then we can have a way forward to decide between things
(8:33:01 AM) dgreiwe1985: afk
(8:33:06 AM) DoggyDude: I think voting.
8:34:21 AM) DoggyDude: Candy, I think it should be voted. If we choose, then it might be seen as favouritism.
(8:34:37 AM) Holmes-III: understand
(8:34:52 AM) RachelJ88: sometimes I wonder why there are so many ignorant people
(8:35:02 AM) RachelJ88: this has nothing to do with any of you
(8:35:11 AM) RachelJ88: I just got a random tell that kinda pushed my buttons
(8:35:12 AM) fleudermaus: Since it is important to you Candy please post something so people will know and have something to think about prior to the vote
(8:35:30 AM) RachelJ88: they send you a /tell then ignore you
(8:35:39 AM) fleudermaus: are you ok Rachel?
(8:35:49 AM) RachelJ88: to be fairly honest no
(8:36:19 AM) dgreiwe1985: back
(8:36:25 AM) DoggyDude: wb Kendra :D
8:38:17 AM) fleudermaus: that was a great mix you sent me Kendra
(8:38:21 AM) DoggyDude: oh no.. im not. Lead has gone to Hanna? maybe?
(8:38:23 AM) fleudermaus: I'm still listening
(8:38:25 AM) fleudermaus: XD
(8:38:56 AM) DoggyDude: Kendra has great tunes :D
(8:38:58 AM) fleudermaus: not me
(8:38:58 AM) dgreiwe1985: the tune from earlier today?
(8:39:01 AM) fleudermaus: yes
(8:39:03 AM) fleudermaus: hehe
(8:39:08 AM) dgreiwe1985: lol
(8:39:11 AM) fleudermaus: *smiles*
(8:39:21 AM) DoggyDude: Hanna, want to Q us for AA? :)
(8:39:30 AM) dgreiwe1985: thank you Serry. Always looking for the best tunes my friends
(8:39:31 AM) fleudermaus: awwww
(8:39:51 AM) dgreiwe1985: oh i forget a "for" :P
(8:39:52 AM) fleudermaus: take care Hanna
(8:39:56 AM) DoggyDude: no, thank Q Kendra hehe
(8:40:35 AM) DoggyDude: did Hanna say goodbye?
(8:40:42 AM) DoggyDude: where?
(8:40:56 AM) fleudermaus: yes she said she had to log
(8:40:59 AM) RachelJ88: okies... shot in the dark
(8:41:06 AM) fleudermaus: that is why I waved and kissed goodbye
